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Where the sacred and profane meet... (HT: Rod Dreher at Crunchy Con)
We've plummeted a long way from The City of God to City Church. St. Jude, pray for us.
Oh, mercy, are we not to be spared even YouTube here?
November 7, 2007 4:06 PM
I tried to find a creed or statement of faith or anything on the site or on a link from it. No luck. Nearest thing was a reference to "biblical principles" in the "Vision" statement. Which principles would that be, I wonder? Evidently _not_ St. Peter's principles about women and modesty, but I guess that's my hobby-horse. Was it an unintentional slip when Carl said if you come to their "church" you can maybe find "a wife like Kent Munsey," or is it just that whoever wrote the script doesn't know enough about clear and grammatical English to notice the little ambiguity there?
If this is an Emergent Church, I wish they'd crawl back into their shell, or wherever they emerged from.
November 7, 2007 4:25 PM
This site has a pleasant layout. An embedded YouTube clip is a vandalism. Just link to it.
November 7, 2007 4:26 PM
Well, I did find this in the vision statement: All of us are wired for worship and the only way we can express true love to God and worship Him is through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
I'm going to work on getting one of those as soon as I get the vision of the pastor's wife out of my head.
Also, if you click on senior pastor Steve Munsey's name, it takes you to the Christian Family Center, and from there you can go to Crosstower Radio and listen to the kind of music they like. Steve, like Kent, has a good-looking wife, so I'd advise caution.
William Luse |
November 7, 2007 7:29 PM
Mercifully, my at-home dial-up connection precludes viewing this atrocity, but judging from what I can see, there is a guy who looks like a cleaned-up 80s hair-metal band member. Maybe one of the guys from KISS, unmasked. True to form, there are those lines about finding smoking hot wives, which seems entirely in keeping with the style and the underlying ethos.
All I can say is, "Please do not try to make Christianity relevant, because this is what happens." It is not only theologically dubious, but corny - and corny is a surefire way to drive inquiring non-Christians away in droves.
My flesh won't stop crawling, either, and I've only seen this picture, let alone the entire video. Ewww.
November 7, 2007 9:22 PM
I'd say, the guy reminds me of a slightly heavier John Travolta on a bad day. (Am I dating myself?)
It strikes me that no one with a family would want to attend this place. Now, maybe that just shows that I'm out of touch, but I can't help thinking it must be almost entirely filled with single 20-and-30-somethings. So much for diversity. And how does that last? Mrs. Munsey won't be able to pose for those pictures as the type of the "hot wife" you'll get at the church in twenty years or so, or perhaps even less. What does Pastor Kent do, then? Do they fire him, or does he find a new wife?
November 7, 2007 9:37 PM
Gintas, my apologies for the YouTube embedding. I won't do it, again.
Is "pastorbation" a word? After seeing this video, it should be.
Francis Beckwith |
November 7, 2007 10:31 PM
Peace in the middle east, yes brought to you by the U.S. Army.
Tough job but somebody's got to do it.
November 7, 2007 10:32 PM
John Travolta's quite a bit heavier now... :) I was thinking he looks like Roland Orzabal, but that's delving into both obscure and dating myself.
Here outside of Austin we are constantly bombarded by 'hip' and 'new' churches. This actually seems pretty tame in comparison to many of the fliers and such, some of which I get confused with fliers for 'mature' *ahem* services. They must be popular, though, we have 4 within walking distance.
November 7, 2007 11:40 PM
Frank, don't worry about the YouTube link. As long as they are used only rarely, I have nothing against YouTube embeds.
Paul J Cella |
November 8, 2007 9:35 AM
I'm going to change the ugly subject for a second, and say to Paul Cella (since he's virtually sitting right in front of me) what a magnificent piece in Touchstone, Byzantium Yet Fallen. I can't wait to get my hands on the forthcoming book.
November 8, 2007 12:03 PM
Nay, not Roland Orzabal, who was too pudgy to be a Carlist doppelganger. Our Carl is a lost Gibb brother.
Rod Dreher |
November 8, 2007 10:42 PM
I'm sticking with Roland circa Songs from the Big Chair.
November 8, 2007 10:51 PM
Is that why the lady is posed as if she's dancing disco, with her arm pointing up in the air? "Stayin' alive, stayin' alive..." :-)
Y'know, I must be getting old or something, but one of the first things that popped into my head when I saw Mrs. Munsey being sold as a "hot wife," and saw her picture, was, "That girl is way too young to be in with this crowd."
November 8, 2007 10:53 PM
I was hoping this was just a spoof, but I fear that it is not.
November 9, 2007 2:00 AM
In my opinion things like this don't drive Christians away... it's the rigid Christianity that most people claim to live but really don't "live much" at all... they talk a lot but not live a lot! Anyone can sit behind their cumputer and judge but who are all of you to judge another Man's servant, without knowing the fruit of another man's servant. You can't tell me you know fruit by watching one Youtube video. I think that is the real question to think about it???
November 14, 2007 4:50 AM
Does anyone happen to have an archived copy of the video? I would love to include it in my cabinet of pathological specimens.
December 11, 2007 2:23 PM
Ummm...IM the worship leader at City Church. And you people are part of the problem, instead being the solution. We are trying our best to reach the City of Chicago. Why dont some of u critics, show up and help us do something for God. Making rude comments isnt going to help homeless people recieve Christ, or people locked up in prison recieve hope..and so on. Be part of the solution. We believe that the solution to anyones problem is Jesus Christ. That is what we preach...THAT AND ONLY THAT...is what we believe!! God Bless....
February 27, 2008 1:27 PM
It's fascinating how Emergent Church types portray themselves, and (oddly enough) may actually view themselves as standing for the poor, the outcasts, and the downtrodden, but their actual advertising and atmosphere are quite different. The "we stand for the poor" mascot-claiming slogan is really just evidence of the fundamental political liberalism that is a major driving force behind the emergent movement--such mascot-claiming being what liberals do best, regardless of whether their actual policies are actually helpful to the poor. What do skin-tight clothes, disco attitudes, glitz, glitter, and hot babes have to do with reaching out to the have-nots? For that matter, what do they have to do with the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ? Nothing whatsoever.
Meanwhile, my former Baptist church in the Ravenswood area, the fundamentalist church I went to as a Baptist high-schooler in Chicago, does indeed reach out to the have-nots. And it makes them feel loved and comfortable, precisely because of its simplicity.
February 27, 2008 2:00 PM
I regretably stumbled on this page and I'm terribly disappointed in how enjoyable it has become for you all to pass judgment as if you were in a position to do so.
Any "Christians" here recall this passage?
Proverbs 18:22 (NKJ)
He who finds a wife finds a good thing, And obtains favor from the Lord.
Are you suggesting their homeless out reach is less effective because of Mrs. Munsey's appearance? Why does her beauty offend you? She is an example of the remarkable craftmanship of the Lord. Why do you need to attack that craftmanship to make yourself seem more acceptable in His sight?
Romans 1:4 (NKJ)
Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
Romans 1:10 (NKJ)
But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
Be blessed my brothers and sisters.
May 22, 2008 5:27 PM
I'm confused...so now you have to be ugly to be a Christian or a minister or reach people?
Or maybe it's that you can't make a joke or laugh and still be a Christian?
Has anyone who is bashing this church BEEN to this church? Have we stopped to think that maybe they're reaching people that we (other churches) can't reach. And maybe we're reaching people they aren't able to reach?
What in the WORLD happened to being the Body of Christ!? HIS hands and feet extended. We love to point fingers at other churches and talk bad about them. But everyone knows that NO ONE likes it when the finger is pointed at them.
C'mon people, get with the program!
July 30, 2010 3:09 PM
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