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McCain's Veep: A Hockey Mom Who Clings to God and Her Guns


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Don't forget, she was "a standout high school point guard." Oh, and as one article mentioned, she was runner-up for Miss Alaska. Is he crazy?

Why would he be crazy for choosing her?

She's without question "Pro-Life" and sticks to her guns; not to mention, cute!

Mike Huckabee likes her as well as some from the infamous Vox Novans!


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25970882/

EXCERPT:

Palin has a strong anti-abortion record, and her selection was praised warmly by social conservatives whose support McCain needs to prevail in the campaign for the White House. ...

[C]onservatives praised her anti-abortion credentials.

"Sarah Palin is a pleasant surprise for those of us who had hoped that Senator McCain would pick a principled and authentic conservative pro-life leader," former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said.

Vox Nova:

http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/29/aks-palin/

EXCERPT:

My husband and I volunteered on Palin’s Alaska campaign when she ran for Governor. Here are a few of my thoughts: First: I have known Sarah Palin for years. How? I met her through AK Right to Life. She always came to our fund-raising dinners, she always came to pro-life events (even when she took time off from politics to be home with her children), and one of her kids became AK RTL’s baby mascot for our stationery. She is the real deal when it comes to pro-life matters. This became even more clear when at the age of 44 of this year, she gave birth to a baby with Down’s Syndrome. BTW: No one knew she was pregnant until 1 month before giving birth!

Second: She worked under previous (Catholic-pro-life) Governor Frank Murkowski’s Admin and ended up resigning because the corruption was so blatant and so bad she could not effect change. She gave up her 6 figure income to do so. This catapulted her into stardom for Alaskans.

Third: When she ran for Governor, she was up against the incumbent Murkowski (the least popular Governor in the nation at the time) AND against two-time former super popula,r Governor Democrat Tony Knowles. Husband and I both had deep respect for her so we decided to join her campaign. We were not the only ones. I have worked many a campaign before and this was the first time in my experience where normal, average, nonpartisan types joined the campaign. When I decided to wave signs for her on street corners (with my baby strapped on my back), I was blown away by the hundreds of other Alaskans who had the same idea.

Fourth: When she ran for Governor, the AK Republican Party threw fundraisers for Palin’s Democratic rival!

No joke! They hated her because she was the one who blew the whistle on their corruption. Big Oil hates her because she refused and refuses to be bribed. She had very little campaign money and her very ew tv ads always said “Frugally paid for by the Palin Campaign.” Yet, she won, sweeping the State. Fifth: I worked the polls on voting day and Democrats, Independents and non-voters alike came to vote for her.

My advice: Don’t underestimate her, my friends. Last night my husband and I were convinced we would support Obama. Thanks to McCain’s VP choice, we don’t know now.

Is "cute" really one of the criteria that should be used for voting for someone for V.P.? Maybe Obama should have named Paris Hilton as his running mate (except of course the Republicans were already hammering him on the celebrity thing). I'll confess I don't follow politics closely enough to know anything about this woman. I guess a few people actually saw this coming (though very few). It'll help McCain with the pro-life vote and with the women's vote, and may even give some pro-choice pro-Hilary women Democrats some conflicting emotions on pulling the lever.

Maybe it was brilliant, I don't know. The line between genius and insane is often quite a thin one.

Is "cute" really one of the criteria that should be used for voting for someone for V.P.?

Well, that comment was meant in jest.

Yet, considering the sensationalism that's occurring in both camps, really, was there something else to be expected?

Indeed, demagoguery is not dead; it just evolved.

I don't know about the rest of you but I never heard of Palin before today. From what I've seen, I like. I'm pretty jacked up about this election now. Until now, it’s almost been like the second coming of the Bob Dole campaign. This VP choice is a perfect response to the Obama coronation last night. Two Democrat neighbors of mine have now decided to cross over and support McCain.

Gino,

This VP choice is a perfect response to the Obama coronation last night.

Note though the sheer majesty of the ceremony though -- the Roman columns were a nice touch!

About this Vox Nova story - why would this person say they're pro-life but that they were going to support Obama before McCain's VP pick? Something about that doesn't square with me, unless they're black and wanted to vote for Obama based on his race.

John: Your comment is strangely uncharitable and dismissive. While Palin's experience in sports and as a Miss Alaska contestant don't qualify her for VP, neither does such experience disqualify her. And who said that such experience was the basis for her VP pick? McCain surely didn't. McCain's mentioning of such things is more than anything a way to help us get to know her as a person - a way to help us relate to her. Obviously, her primary qualifications for VP draw from other facts mentioned: her experience as Governor, and prior to that, Mayor. Please note that Palin has more executive experience than all the other candidates combined.

John,

About this Vox Nova story - why would this person say they're pro-life but that they were going to support Obama before McCain's VP pick?

Don't get me started with the Vox Novan heresy.

What's worse is that they say they're Catholic as well as Pro-Life while their actions seemingly tell of different story.

Christians of the Evangelical stripe in this regard seem more "Catholic" than they.

What would have been wrong with Sam Brownback? Would it not have been clever enough politically? I'm still not voting for Obama, but this was a very unfortunate choice. The world we are going to be living through in the next four years will not be a soap opera or a made-for-television series. No one will be reading from a script in which everything magically turns out all right in the last five minutes.

One person on another blog commented: No disrespect towards Brownback, but did he ever give birth to a Down's Syndrome child?

For God's sake.

The world we are going to be living through in the next four years will not be a soap opera or a made-for-television series.

You are badly confused about American politics.

"You are badly confused about American politics."

I'm sure you're ready and able to straighten me out.

Pavel: What do you find so wrong with Palin? Inter alia, she's a dedicated Pro-Life Crusader, has had experience as Governor of Alaska, and believes that Marriage should only be between man & woman?

"I am pro-life and I believe that marriage should only be between and man and a woman. I am opposed to any expansion of gambling in Alaska."

Source: Campaign website, www.palinforgovernor.com, "Issues" Nov 7, 2006

John: Your comment is strangely uncharitable and dismissive.
I don't know what's uncharitable about my comment. I made two statements of fact that are a matter of public record, and asked a question which I think a lot of people are asking. I mentioned the "outstanding high school point guard" thing because McCain actually said that in the video in the lead-up to his announcement. Honestly, who in their right mind would include in the introduction to their VP pick that person's achievements in h.s. b-ball? It's a completely irrelevant factor in choosing someone who could end up as the leader of the free world. Isn't that obvious?

Forgive me, but my mom was once the mayor of a small town in British Columbia not all that much smaller than Wasilla. I really don't see that as a great credential. And actually my mom took on some corrupt politicians in her town and won a popular following for it.

And call me sexist (and maybe I am a little) but being a former beauty queen to me makes it hard to take someone seriously as a candidate for highest office. Granted, a former actor became what many still consider to be one of the greatest American presidents ever (I still love the classic line from Back to the Future when Marty tells the professor that Ronald Reagan was president in the future and he replied "Ronald Reagan? The ACTOR?!" Classic).

So I don't think there's anything strange about my comments at all. I think it's strange if people don't react that way intially.

"...has had experience as Governor of Alaska"

That's the problem for me. I share her social opinions. But the vice president will be the back-up for the most powerful and responsible executive in history, during what may be a most dangerous time.

What are her qualifications for *those* requirements?

Pavel,

Bush was governor of Texas with even more experience -- really, do you want to go there?

It's not as if the Democrat candidates have even more experience in that regard.

Roe v. Wade makes campaign comeback

Democrats warn women that high court — and abortion rights — is at stake

EXCERPT:

DENVER - The refrain in many of the Democratic leaders’ responses to Sen. John McCain’s choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate: Roe v. Wade, Roe v. Wade.

The 1973 Supreme Court decision nationalizing a woman’s right to get an abortion was a top-of-mind issue for top Democrats.

Voters, beware, the Democrats' message seemed to be: Palin is not in favor of abortion rights.


Roe v. Wade makes campaign comeback

Democrats warn women that high court — and abortion rights — is at stake

EXCERPT:

DENVER - The refrain in many of the Democratic leaders’ responses to Sen. John McCain’s choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate: Roe v. Wade, Roe v. Wade.

The 1973 Supreme Court decision nationalizing a woman’s right to get an abortion was a top-of-mind issue for top Democrats.

Voters, beware, the Democrats' message seemed to be: Palin is not in favor of abortion rights.

Roe v. Wade makes campaign comeback
Democrats warn women that high court — and abortion rights — is at stake

DENVER - The refrain in many of the Democratic leaders’ responses to Sen. John McCain’s choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate: Roe v. Wade, Roe v. Wade.

The 1973 Supreme Court decision nationalizing a woman’s right to get an abortion was a top-of-mind issue for top Democrats.

Voters, beware, the Democrats' message seemed to be: Palin is not in favor of abortion rights.

The Democrats seemed to be concerned that some voters might be under the misapprehension that Palin was a pro-choice woman — or that because she is a woman, it might help McCain get the votes of pro-choice women.

The message echoed and re-echoed:

“Gov. Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton in a statement issued before McCain had stepped out on the stage in Dayton, Ohio, with Palin.

“She shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade,” agreed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi two hours later.

“Gov. Palin and John McCain are a good match because they both want to overturn Roe v. Wade,” chimed in Ellen Malcolm, a Hillary Clinton adviser and president of the Democratic group Emily’s List, which backs women abortion rights candidates.

“The last thing women need is a president — and vice president — who are prepared to turn back the clock on women's rights and repeal the protections of Roe v. Wade,” said Cecile Richards, the president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, which backs mostly Democratic candidates.

If McCain were to win the election but not serve out his term, it would be Palin nominating justices for any Supreme Court vacancies.

John Fraser, I thought I'd stay out on this but as you seem fixated by what is apparently something new to you, political minutiae, which I take it you have never seen before, allow me to inform you it's very common in modern politics.

You probably missed much or all of the Democratic candidate's campaign, up to and including his acceptance speech, wherein he has spoken about his Mama and his Papa and his Grandma to the point where some must have thought they were dinner guests back home and not witnessing a Presidential campaign. If you had noticed you would not have been shocked to see mentions of basketball and beauty contests, the last probably unknown to Democratic women.

There were other things of importance said John, and with no mention of bathing suits and basketball being the deciding qualifiers. If you missed them and focused on the trivia I would say at the least you opened the door to considerations of strangeness.

"Bush was governor of Texas with even more experience -- really, do you want to go there?"

We are in for a dangerous and probably terrifying ride for the next four years, at least. This is no time for political games, such as: Let's get elected first and then we'll see.

Brownback would have been my choice.

John T,

If, in the process of announcing your V.P. candidate you feel the need to mention "outstanding high school point guard" as a resume-padder, you certainly raise some questions about the fitness of your candidate for high office that I think reasonable people should immediately be asking. As I said in my previous comment, I thought that was obviously an irrelevant qualifier. Maybe you think it's a good indicator that someone is fit for the White House. If so, I'd say the one who really needs to think about "political minutiae" is yourself.

By the way, I said nothing about bathing suits. Nice of you to put words in my mouth, though. But no, I didn't watch the Democratic convention. From what I hear it's been regarded as something of a disaster by many observers, or at best as a "missed opportunity."

Thanks for sharing, but lose the snide tone, okay?

Pavel,
I should have been clearer. What I meant was that the next four years will be presented by the pundit class as if it were a soap opera. Dowd in particular has become unhinged in that regard, but to a lesser degree they all play that same game.

It is unfortunate that we live in serious times when we have such a banal level of politics, but Rove, Penn and others have discovered that these tactics often work.

"I made two statements of fact that are a matter of public record, and asked a question which I think a lot of people are asking."

It's also a statement of fact and of public record that Barack Obama and Len Bias are black and used cocaine, with the former escaping death.

"Statements of fact," if uttered with malice, is just passive aggressive bullshitting. John, that's what you're doing. You know it.

As my brother told me on the phone today, what makes Sarah Palin so amazing is that she is one of us. I could have actually run into her at Sam's Club. But I betcha, there's no chance I would run into her at Bill Ayers' house, for two reasons: (1) neither one of us would be there, (2) we don't count such people among our friends. And that's a statement of fact that is a matter of public record.

Although RCM and I often disagree, people might as well disagree with her for the right reasons. The immigration debate in particular turned her off the GOP and led her to resign from her local pro-life committee. She also had family in the military and opposed the Iraq War. The corrupt Alaskan GOP didn't help matters.

Last night my husband and I were convinced we would support Obama. Thanks to McCain’s VP choice, we don’t know now.

You've got to love those folks at Vox Nova.

Is "cute" really one of the criteria that should be used for voting for someone for V.P.?

Yes. Consider the alternatives.

the vice president will be the back-up for the most powerful and responsible executive in history, during what may be a most dangerous time. What are her qualifications for *those* requirements?

If Lydia McGrew - who has never sent anyone to war, or been in one herself, or been the executive of anything more significant than a school for her children in her own home - were running for president, I'd vote for her. Over McCain and Obama.

You are badly confused about American politics.

That was good, Step 2.


Those truly interested in her views would do well to read her archives at her personal site: http://radicalcatholicmom.blogspot.com

not interested

"Statements of fact," if uttered with malice, is just passive aggressive bullshitting. John, that's what you're doing. You know it.
I'm not quite sure what your problem is, but this is frankly one of the most bizarre statements I've read in the last while. I'm doing no such thing. I was just expressing my initial immediate reaction to this announcement.

Up until this point I actually thought you had some good things to say. I generally enjoy your posts, but this comment is just plain stupid.

If people aren't allowed to ask legitimate questions about vice-presidential nominees, what are they allowed to ask questions about? Maybe we should forget the two-party system and go to a one-party system. Then people wouldn't be asking all these questions.

Bill Luse being just interested in making obnoxious comments. Who'd have thunk it?

Now, look, chaps, my take on the sheer fact that Sarah Palin has little experience is that *by itself* that may have a lot of advantages. For example, it means she's had less chance of being corrupted by politics. I mean, Kevin was urging us to do a write-in of our local crisis pregnancy center director. Why would one do that if one really believed that someone without experience should never be even _vice_ president.

So, to me, that's not a problem in itself. And after all, the VP doesn't do that much, and it's not like McCain is likely to keel over and die next year. There's a big difference with putting an inexperienced person in as VP to learn the ropes and putting an inexperienced person in as president. If anything, if MCCain were to win and Palin be VP, this might be bad _for her_. Who wants to go and become part of the DC culture? But unfortunately by that logic we'd never elect anyone good to federal public office, for their own sake!

To my mind this is all rather moot, because as I am already on record as staying, and stick by, it's pathetic for McCain to think he can win the conservative vote by a mere gesture to the conservative base at this late stage of the game and without any change of heart on his part on issues. It simply can't outweigh, to my mind, the problems with the candidate for whom I'm actually being asked to vote for President.

Bill, thanks for the very kind words, but I'm not running. I believe a mother's place is in the home. :-) :-)

Lydia,

I kind of think the important question is "can this person handle the job?" I happen to be of the opinion that most people that I might run into at Sam's Club can't. I mean, I just watched the end of "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" the other day, so sure, I see the point. MY point (a point which apparently is not allowed in this forum) is: with someone like this, how do you know? Normally you assess someone by their track record. Palin has never been in the national spotlight. I just don't think governing Alaska for two years after being the mayor of a little town is good evidence that someone can be president. And regardless of how likely you might think it is that McCain could drop dead (or be assassinated, or whetever), nevertheless it could happen. Can someone really handle going from small-town mayor to governor of Alaska for two years to commander-in-chief? It'd make a great story. I just don't think I would see it as having a high likelihood of success.

She sounds like a very good person from what I've heard, and she's done some good things in Alaska during the two years she's been in office. She also seems likely to really piss some people off, which may be a good thing. Or she may get eaten for lunch. But how do you know?

"Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

Just a thought.

"Don't get me started with the Vox Novan heresy. What's worse is that they say they're Catholic as well as Pro-Life while their actions seemingly tell of different story. Christians of the Evangelical stripe in this regard seem more "Catholic" than they."

I guess I should stay away from "What's Wrong With a World War" but this quote is absolutely priceless. Let me break it down: in terms of the Catholic church, the global universal one true Church founded by Jesus the Christ, the Church that guards the single scared deposit of the Word of God--- we Vox Novans are fully orthodox. We disagree a lot, but we are orthodox. Now, in terms of the phony American church, the twinning of a theologically-dubious evangelicalism with American dualism and with the material interests of the Republican party, a alliance that claims to be pro-life but has very little in common with the Catholic consistent ethic of life-- sorry to disappoint you, but we're outright heretics here.

God, this gave me a chuckle... you really need to escape this Americanist bubble.

John, I don't mean to beat a dying horse, but in an effort to help you understand the responses to your statements, consider this: you simply assumed the worst about McCain's mention of Palin's basketball experience by assuming that his mentioning thereof was an effort to "pad" her resume. Come on. That's ridiculous. If you had any inclination toward charity and understanding statements in context, you would realize that McCain mentioned that fun-fact to help us relate to Palin as a person, not to justify his pick of her as VP. Is that so hard to grasp? And Frank is right to point out that your statements were not mere statements of fact and a question. The implicature of your statements was clear: McCain is crazy for picking Palin because she played basketball in HS and was a beauty pageant contestant. That is some of the most bizarre reasoning I've seen in some time. Pick your favorite president. Then suppose you find out he played sports in HS. (gasp!) Would that thereby disqualify him from being a good president?

Michael,

Apparently neither you nor some of these other guys have the slightest clue what my point was. Maybe I overestimated the ability of people on here to read between the lines. The only apparent relevant experience that Palin has for being veep (and potentially commander-in-chief) is two years as governor of Alaska. Being mayor of podunk Alaska just doesn't cut it. My mom has that much (not Alaska, but close). So do lots of other small-town mayors. That doesn't mean they're veep material. All the rest of the "fun" facts about her, including the fact that she was a ferocious point guard in high school etc. is not relevant to the job of V.P. Now if the rest of her resume contained a little more meat, maybe the mention of her b-ball experience wouldn't stick out so much.

So your statement that the implication of my comments was that "McCain is crazy for picking Palin because she played basketball in HS and was a beauty pageant contestant" shows how badly you missed the point. My comment was intended to highlight the lack of significant achievements that appear worthy of a V.P. candidate. I'm sorry if you and Frank and John T and whoever else missed that one. I'm certainly not the only person in America openly wondering about that, which makes the responses I'm getting here all the more bizarre. There was also no latent malice in any of my comments. These are legitimate questions. Sorry if I'm treading on sacred ground to be calling attention to them.

I think the really interesting thing is how this woman appears to have turned some otherwise intelligent men into blathering idiots. Maybe that was part of McCain's strategy, and he really is a political genius after all. It appears to be working.

Bill Luse being just interested in making obnoxious comments. Who'd have thunk it?

What was obnoxious was suggesting that any sane Christian would want to burrow through the archives of someone who plans to vote for Obama.

But how do you know?

You never know, John. You have to learn to love the risk. Maybe this video will cheer you up, in which you discover that she knows more about energy policy than McCain, Obama, and both houses of congress put together and, unlike those others, actually wants to get something done. With 700 billion U.S. dollars flowing into Middle Eastern coffers, it's a matter of national security.

...the Catholic consistent ethic of life

Is that the one in which abortion gets to drown in the same soup as the death penalty, open borders and universal health care?

If Lydia McGrew - who has never sent anyone to war, or been in one herself, or been the executive of anything more significant than a school for her children in her own home - were running for president, I'd vote for her.

Bill, thanks for the very kind words, but I'm not running.

How about an office closer to home? It looks like the position of Mayor of Detroit will need to be filled very soon.

Heck, Detroit needs a new mayor _now_. It's present one is in prison. Can you even _be_ mayor of Detroit from prison? I guess so. But I've always been glad to live in my much quieter town and have nothing to do with Detroit. My husband visited there once and told me what the neighborhood of the university was like where he was giving a paper. Reminded me too much of my (not very) home sweet home in the city of Chicago as a child. Big cities are bad news.

Argggh. "Its." I didn't go edit the original comment so as not to hide the fact that I do occasionally make the it's-its errors that I jump on in others.

John Fraser, obviously you are a liberal. You can always tell by the way they throw around invective and then whine like teething babies about say, snideness.

Having read your latest work of art, 3;34 am, I would suggest caution in throwing words like "crazy" and "idiot" around. Transference of one's own faults to blameless others is not fair play.

Now back to the sandbox with you.

Nothing left to say pal, you're out of it !

What have we learned the past 24 hours or so?

1) McCain's handlers read this blog and realized that despite the fevered claims of Michael Bauman and Ari, that the GOP needs us, more that than we need them. Their own polling showed that failed foreign policy and bad economics leave you no where to go, but to cultural issues. Maybe one day they'll govern that way.

2)They liked my write-in suggestions so much they picked a composite; "a home-schooling mom who just gave birth to her 5th child" & "a kid from your area serving overseas" and raised the ante with a mom who just gave birth to a child with Downs and a son about to be deployed to Iraq.

3)Sarah Palin will soon become the female version of Clarence Thomas and experience an incredible onslaught. Hope she's up for it, and has no ties to Christian Zionists and other loons.

4)If she is as good as she seems the pro-life movement will have, no matter what happens in November, a national figure who feels the cause in her very marrow and can be the face of the movement for years to come.

5)This selection coupled with the platform position on stem cells, means pro-lifers who define the culture of death around a set constellation of issues will be getting on board.

6)The rest of us, who still find McCain's bellicosity to much too accept, will now experience the kind of ambivalence that often leads to schizophrenia. We have a horse in this race, but she's tied to a broken-down carriage. Is there any way Sarah can win the top spot at the convention?

Kevin, this is all too true:

"Sarah Palin will soon become the female version of Clarence Thomas and experience an incredible onslaught. Hope she's up for it..."

If I were the praying sort, I'd pray for her. Since I'm not, I'll just keep my fingers crossed.

You believe in crossing your fingers, Steve? :-)

This selection coupled with the platform position on stem cells, means pro-lifers who define the culture of death around a set constellation of issues will be getting on board.

Kevin, huh? Are you saying that somehow the party platform position means that McCain's position on the issue doesn't matter, or what? I mean, are you saying he'll feel bound not to open up federal funding for ESCR because of the platform position? But if that were true, it would have been true already, regardless of his choice of running mate. I don't get that at all.

Steven, Amen. My quess is McCain's people want two seemingly incompatible groups very engaged this fall; "values voters" and women big on gender identity. A lot of cross-currents may take the wind out of Obama's sail.

Lydia, her nomination changes everything in terms of the pro-life cause. Up until now we never have had an activist on a national ticket. Ever. In recasting the image of the party, McCain has found a pretty pro-life face for it and made her a co-pilot.

ESCR won't be issue should McCain wins because, I suspect he will now unleash a series of reforms aimed at curtailing gov't funding at many levels. He's soon say adult stem cell developments have negated the need for federal funding of ESCR.

He's soon say adult stem cell developments have negated the need for federal funding of ESCR.

a) I have trouble getting _really_ excited about, "Hey, maybe we don't need to eat children because we now have other sources of meat."

b) Why hasn't he said what you predict already? He's left it darned late in the game, and I say he won't come out against federal funding for ESCR _at least_ until after the election, if ever. He's playing both sides. He wants the supporters of ESCR still to hope he'll fund it, and he wants the pro-lifers now to hope (given his little coy hints about its "perhaps becoming academic") he won't fund it, without telling anybody what he really plans to do. It makes me ill. We're talking, as Zippy keeps saying, about the vivisection of live, tiny human beings, stripping them for their parts. And he can't even bring himself to say the equivalent of the thing I said in part a? Disgusting.

"I suspect he will now unleash a series of reforms aimed at curtailing gov't funding at many levels. He's soon say adult stem cell developments have negated the need for federal funding of ESCR."

suspect=hope?

I too will not vote for Obama, but that doesn't meant I'm going to weave my own little comforting fantasy about what someone I don't know is going to do.

This is the secular world, in which happy endings are scarce. Don't put your hope in princes. Hope in princes is a symptom of sickness in the present pilgrim Church. In fact, if I were in a melodramatic mood I would call it a satanic temptation.

Recent statements of the Holy Father on this topic are edifying.

John T,

John Fraser, obviously you are a liberal.
LOL! You won't find them much more conservative than me, pal. Unfortunately it seems your only gift is in trying to start internet flame wars. Obviously coherent thinking is not up your alley.

My only fault is that I'm not drooling all over the newest Ms. Conservative Hottie USA like these other guys. I'm conservative enough to think that qualifications matter more than image. But with politics these days, that's not you win elections. You can put that in your "political minutiae 101" file.

See ya.

I can vouch from personal acquaintance that John Fraser is not a liberal, not by a long shot. Nor do I think his present comments could be taken to mean that he is one. Why should they? I myself put much less emphasis than he does upon experience, especially when the experience in question is in politics in the Beltway atmosphere. But it's not a big deal to me that he's bringing it up.

Kevin, you sound like you might be going weak in the knees. You'll keep up your rhetoric, but you'll be pulling that lever for McCain, won't you?

Thanks, Lydia. It's nice to have someone speak out on my behalf. I was almost getting to the point of being embarrassed to be a conservative with all of these irrational attacks.

Lydia,
McCain is a product of modernity, but do you honestly think he knowingly supports "the vivisection of live, tiny human beings, stripping them for their parts?" Yes or no.

Otherwise, your contention that Palin's selection is but an empty gesture, strikes me as the kind of purist histrionics that are useful only for snatching defeat from the clutches of victory.

We live in an age that has embraced the utilitarian ethos and found refuge in abstraction. The Gospels and Incarnational reality can be introduced only by moral suasion. Palin appears uniquely qualified to exercise it and McCain, quite surprisingly, seems receptive to it.

Byronic,
Smitten? Definitely, but a huge hurdle remains; McCain's views on war and peace fall squarely on the anti-life side of the ledger. Dare I hope for his conversion, or should I wait until my heart palpitations pass?

...but do you honestly think he knowingly supports "the vivisection of live, tiny human beings, stripping them for their parts?" Yes or no.
Yes. And who cares what little speeches he tells himself to make himself think it is OK? Objectively, that is what he has a long history of supporting.

"Knowingly," Kevin, is one of those words that with me can get you more of an answer than you wanted. "Knows" entails "believes." In one sense, obviously, McCain doesn't believe that these are living human beings being stripped for parts. But I think there are many ethical cases where people deny something at one level of their minds/hearts and realize that it is true at another level. Examples abound, but in the pro-life context the most obvious example is of the person who says that a child sucking his thumb in his mother's womb is a "non-person." In one sense you could say that he doesn't know that the unborn child is a person. Yet in another sense, I think we should all say that such a person "really knows better" and is suppressing his knowledge. Now, I think it is somewhat easier to lie to oneself about the human status of embryos that have not yet developed their visibly human form, and that simply _because_ they do not yet look like the human children they are. A confusion on this point might actually be excusable in a time period where scientific knowledge is far more limited than our own and where one has, as it were, only visible appearance to go by. But McCain does not live in such a time period, and he is not a fool nor an ignorant person. So his self-deception is blameworthy, and his failure, at the conscious level, to know (because a failure to believe) what he is advocating is a case of deliberately cultivated, vincible ignorance. In short, he must be deliberately lying to himself, and he has all that he needs to know better. Moreover, the very fact that this issue is so much in the spotlight and that he has had to _take action_ related to it (votes in the Senate, for example), only increases his blame, because it places on him the responsibility to find out what's really going on and then to act in accordance with reality. Instead of which, he has gone flatly and determinedly in the wrong direction. Indeed, he is still doing so despite the fact that he must know it is costing him votes. That is stubborn persistence in wrong-doing.

Objectively, as Zippy says, what he supports just is what it is. From the perspective of blame upon him, he is enormously to blame for denying what it is and acting in accordance with his deliberately wrongly-formed conscience.

Byronic, Smitten? Definitely, but a huge hurdle remains; McCain's views on war and peace fall squarely on the anti-life side of the ledger. Dare I hope for his conversion, or should I wait until my heart palpitations pass?

In the heart of every orthodox Catholic man there exists a secret yearning for an evangelical girl who rides motorcycles. Let it go. It's a divine madness. And McCain's too old and too ornery to change. If he wins by one vote he'll see it as a mandate. "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

Lydia,
"In short, he must be deliberately lying to himself,..."

An apt description of modernity itself. Self-deception is what allows our entire political establishment to conceal their imperialist libido dominandi behind a host of masks; patriotism, the promotion of democracy, national self-determination and freedom. I wish you would apply the standard you have devised for McCain on ESCR to a wider range of issues.

Byronic,
You're right. There's something wrong about hoping to get the evangelical babe in short-shorts to pray the rosary with you. Alone.

Augustine's "make me chaste. Just not yet" is echoing in my ears and I may have to avoid her acceptance speech.

Happy Labor Day all W4ers, hope it is glorious where you are, as it is on the East Coast.

Kevin:

I'm glad to see your true colors coming out.

You would rather see the ascension of the Pro-Choice Leadership come into Power than to have a Ticket that supports the overturning of Roe v. Wade!

I'll make sure to think of you and Lydia for each additional baby that's killed under FOCA and the Pro-Choice Supreme Court Justice majority Obama will come to establish for the next generation!

It's too bad Bristol Palin decided to live up to her mother's Pro-Life morals and kept her baby!

For then you could've certainly mocked her and Palin for their stalwart living up to the Pro-Life standards of the Coalition for Life!

Aristocles,
As soon as she was selected, I said Palin is one of us, deserves our full support throughout and best defense when the predictable Borking begins. I also said this election will now induce schizoid behavior in those prolifers who dread the thought of McCain lustily exercising War Powers. True to form, I embarrassed my family by showing up at our neighborhood Block Party as Charles I. For all of this, you place me in Herod's honor guard. Thanks. You don't do volunteer work at a Suicide Prevention Hotline, do you?

Here's a safe bet; the server to this site will melt-down around November 4.

Kevin,

If you watched the entire week of the Democrat National Convention; it is no wonder the 11 points lead that Obama has achieved in the last day. It doesn't help any certain Pro-Life folks refuse to give their support to the Palin ticket.

Personally, actions speak louder than words and the fact that McCain had actually chosen such a Pro-Life devotee speaks volumes of the greater accountability McCain feels toward the Pro-Life Cause.

Obama's sworn presidential signing of FOCA, tentative appointment of Pro-Choice Justices and this warning to voters specifically delineates where the battle line has been drawn:

The message echoed and re-echoed:

“Gov. Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton in a statement issued before McCain had stepped out on the stage in Dayton, Ohio, with Palin.

“She shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade,” agreed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi two hours later.

“Gov. Palin and John McCain are a good match because they both want to overturn Roe v. Wade,” chimed in Ellen Malcolm, a Hillary Clinton adviser and president of the Democratic group Emily’s List, which backs women abortion rights candidates.

“The last thing women need is a president — and vice president — who are prepared to turn back the clock on women's rights and repeal the protections of Roe v. Wade,” said Cecile Richards, the president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, which backs mostly Democratic candidates.

If McCain were to win the election but not serve out his term, it would be Palin nominating justices for any Supreme Court vacancies.

SOURCE: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26460555/

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