What’s Wrong with the World

The men signed of the cross of Christ go gaily in the dark.

About

What’s Wrong with the World is dedicated to the defense of what remains of Christendom, the civilization made by the men of the Cross of Christ. Athwart two hostile Powers we stand: the Jihad and Liberalism...read more

The School Year Begins: Debauchery to Follow - Parents, you've been warned

Watch this. Warning: it's graphic. But it's pretty close to the truth of what happens on a vast majority of university and college campuses around the country.

Comments (25)

Watching the clip it seems that Collage life is the same both sides of the Atlantic and for much the same reasons. Going into my senior year I thank God that I was preserved from this sort of stuff in my freshman and sophomore years and for the Evangelical friends I made that insulated me somewhat from 'peer pressure'.

My advice to Catholic/protestent parents (this assumes you're sending them to a secular collage/nominal Catholic/Christian collage e.g. Harvard or Notre Dame)

1) Make sure your child knows the faith and is able at least to give a basic defense (this is doubly true for Catholic parents as they'll also need to be able the objections of less ecumenical protestants)
2) Try and find a good Church near to their dorms and get them to meet the Priest/Minister (also ask the Priest/Minister if he's be willing/able to check up on them from time to time)
3) Try and find out if there is a club (offical or otherwise) that exists to help Christian students resist the peer pressure to sin. (for Catholic parents as long as you're child is strong in the faith it isn't the end of the world if the only Christian groups on campus are run by protestants, I've been ok and for all you know God will use you're child to charitably correct the erors of his/her peers

I have to say this video didn't match my personal experience in college at all. Of course, the college I went to had in the past had a party school reputation, and had cracked down on the partying. It's not so much fun to host a party if you know you will be criminally charged for the alcohol in the presence of sub-21 students.

Also, students tend to become friends with and live near (on campus) people in their same field or related fields. Engineers take studying a little more seriously than say, Business majors.

When I was in college 10 years ago, i knew stuff like this was available, but I never really participated.

I also wasn't a very good catholic AT ALL at the time, so, unfortunatly, my lack of participation didn't have a whole lot to do with morality.

What was my 'anti-debauchery', to borrow a line from those lame TV ads? Well, lets see: in addition to a full load of classes for a technical field, I also had to work pretty much full time in order to afford being there, family finances being what they were. In spite of that, I never really had much money at all, so the few things I could do had to be very cheap.

not saying i was some kind of angel, because I wasn't. But I did stay out of a lot of trouble because the above. At the time I hated it and wished I wasn't missing out. But looking back, I think I'm a lot better off.

Is it any different if your kids leave home and get a job? Freedom is the key. Are your kids living well because of your rules or because of God's rules? If it is because of your rules then this kind of thing is unavoidable. It is not the fault of any college. If it is because of God's rules then leaving home changes nothing.

I won't watch the video, but, yes, I would think it would be different. If a young woman leaves home and gets a job, she can have an apartment of her own. This confers privacy, and she has a place where she can get away from the atmosphere of work, which takes up only so many hours a day. In contrast, the on-campus atmosphere at a university is a hot-house. The student is with the same type of people and the same group of people much of the time and is living among them as well with little privacy. The message of debauchery is often taught by authority figures. And even the young person who is not inclined to do anything other than remain chaste is subjected to roommate problems and scenes that most of us--if we are mature people and Christians, much less conservatives--would want to be able to get away from. If you would regard it as a nightmare to be locked up all night in a dorm with a bunch of licentious college kids, why subject your own child to it, and pay money for the "privilege" to boot? This is why it makes such a difference whether a young person lives on campus or at home.

Lydia,

If this is too personal, feel free to decline.

I'm sure you've had (at least) preliminary thoughts about where your own children might go to college. Are you willing to share them?

Oh boy, just what I needed after having dropped my freshman daughter off at Big State U on Sunday.

My son seems to have survived it somewhat in tact, so i am holding out hope.

Having attended what has been perennially ranked in the top 5 party schools for decades (the ranking, not my attendance), I really did not see much of what was presented actually going on. I heard a lot about it, but at least where I went, it was large enough that there really wasn't much pressure to be involved in it. It was certainly there for the finding if you wanted it, but I never experienced any pressure to partake (perhaps for those involved in the Greek life, there was).

Right now, the plan is for about one year of distance learning from a Christian college followed by living at home and going to classes at the local state university, negotiating carefully through the courses, for the majority of the undergraduate degree.

Treat this like a roach problem: avoid leaving tempting food around, stay away from dorm rooms (live at home or a private apartment), use plenty of bug spray, stay clean.
It helps if you put a cross conspicuously in the living room and bedroom.

The Chicken

Our youngest daughter fell into the drinking trap during her freshman year totally unbeknownst to her mother and myself. Fortunately, she was not in any accidents and did not suffer any injuries during that freshman year, so everything turned out well. We were more than a little bit surprised when we learned, completely after the fact, what had happened. Her grades had remained quite high the whole year, so we suspected nothing. There was a happy outcome, however. She developed a strong aversion to alcohol, getting violently ill now if she takes a drink.

You know, I honestly do not see what the problem is. The kids depicted in the video are not any wilder than those who want to any college, say, in the late 70's or early 80's. Yes, lots of kids party at school and certain schools (WSU, ASU, Florida State) have reputations as "party" schools. Partying in college is NOT NEW. This is no different than 30 years ago. If anything, I think kids are tamer today than they were during the late 70's (1979 was the peak party year for U.S. culture). The video presents no evidence that college partying is any worse than it was 20-30 years ago.

Despite all of this, the U.S. has continued to experience technological innovation and economic growth. In order to convince me that partying college kids are a problem, you have to convince me that 1) this is something new or has become significantly worse and 2) that it represents an existential threat to our future. Based on these two criterion, I fail to see why this should be considered a problem.

Indeed, I challenge the entire notion of societal decay.

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/labels/previous%20generations%20were%20more%20depraved.php

I think social decay is nothing more than a myth.

Kurt9

Collage kids have always socialized and quite often drink has often been a part of that socialization, sometimes to their detriment (think of the St Scholastica Day Riot in 1365). The concern comes from the fact that as more and more kids go to collage more and more kids are drinking to excess simply to get pissed and look good in front of their kids.

We're not talking about myself and 4 of my friends with half a bottle of gin between us (we use mixers) discussing the newtonion motion and how it doesn't affect Aquinas' 1st way, we're talkling about kids getting so drunk they can't remember anything, being so drunk that their inhibitions are lowered they do reckless stuff, they fight and frack everything in sight (with all the consequences that come with it e.g. STD's , pregnency, the murder of the unborn child ect ect) not to mention the damage done to their psychological health and their immortal souls. SO YEAH I AM CONCERNED

Whilst I will probebly have no children myself (I think that God is calling me to the Priesthood) I'm very worried that it'll be me and the religious brothers/sisters who tommorow will have to clear up the mess left behind by todays collage parties.

Chicken

Good Idea mate.

last post that should be (to look good infront of thier mates)

I'm glad GNXP is mining the stats, but his analysis is off.

It's not "teen pregnancy" but "unmarried pregnancy" that is a sign of social decay. People married younger in previous years, and not always with the encouragement of the shotgun. Murder rates are down by some measures, but aggravated assaults are up and would have resulted in as many as 5x more homicides if better trauma care had not been developed since the Vietnam War. (And this excludes the death rate in abortion).

Rates of virginity at age of first marriage are down, as are religious practice and cultural knowledge. Cohabitation is up. We live in the age of the world's largest porn dispenser, and some suburban teens have watched more sexually depraved acts than the worst of the Roman emperors.

Other negative trends: decline in participation in civic organizations, apparent lack of homegrown cultural artifacts, redefinition of marriage, divorce, etc.

"Despite all of this, the U.S. has continued to experience technological innovation and economic growth."

Much of that technological innovation is "solving" some of the consequences of cultural decline. Rape might be down because of cell phone technology, better law enforcement techniques, and increased fornication, not because of increased purity. Without abortion, there'd be far more illegitimate children.

Further, we're arguably coasting on a lot of moral capital we're using up.

Look at the Usury Crisis, and recent social trends don't look sustainable.

But it's also possible that economic growth and technological development are not immediately related to individual and social decline in a way they would have been in previous civilizations. Consider the image of the Zombie, whose material needs are met but he lacks true life.

Jack: Are there really such instutions that primarily teach the art of making collages?

Also, collage kids who attend collages and go out to such things as collage parties seem quite... distrissing, to say the least.

At any rate, God guide you in your vocation, whatever it may be.

"the art of making collages"

you've lost me aristoles

Despite all of this, the U.S. has continued to experience technological innovation and economic growth.

50% of all graduate student doing that research are now from foreign countries. Fewer and fewer U. S. students are going into math and science. The U. S., if it had to depend upon its own student for technological innovation at universities would be in big trouble.

Let me put for one possible reason why: with all of the sin, one of the things being robbed is the sense of awe, either in the divine or nature. No wonder vocations to religion and science are down.

The Chicken

Besides, there's something pretty darned silly about measuring the evil of debauchery and sin by whether or not it inhibits technological innovation! I mean, I yield to none in my appreciation for the free market, etc., etc., but that's absurd.

Despite all of this, the U.S. has continued to experience technological innovation and economic growth.

And to think how grander it could have been if so many had not diminished their own souls by debasing themselves.

Imagine: In the future, teenage boys will be able to watch on brain-implanted Youtube video contraptions their Mommies drinking, puking, and copulating with strangers, while they were in college.

collage kids who attend collages and go out to such things as collage parties seem quite... distrissing, to say the least.

Some of this stuff is brilliant : )

My one cent: Momlogic's statistics are probably all too low, but the behavior is also much more stratified than the statistics suggest. Behavior varies vastly between groups and what holds when the child is at home holds even more in college: choose friends and organizations wisely. Full disclosure, I graduated this year from a very large public university.

Masked Chicken: "Fewer and fewer U. S. students are going into math and science."

Math and science isn't as surefire a way to a career as some would think. See Vivek Wadhwa's "The Science Education Myth" in Business Week, 10/26/07. He says only about 1/3 of science/math/engineering majors are working in a science/math/engineering field. Wadhwa charges that U.S. business interests slam U.S. science education to justify getting more immigration visas for poorly-paid, somewhat educated foreigners, who aren't as great at science as their reputation suggests.

The decline of science/math/engineering majors would definitely be a bad thing if the BS degree confers a great deal of rigorous and creative thinking that otherwise is not being inculcated. I'm not sure this is the case though.

(If Wadhwa has been challenged, I'd like to see it.)

Lydia McGrew writes: "there's something pretty darned silly about measuring the evil of debauchery and sin by whether or not it inhibits technological innovation!"

This gives me flashbacks to Wired magazine in the '90s before the tech bubble burst. The kind of thinking you're criticizing helped found the internet, so it's very prevalent on a lot of web sites.

Jack:

you've lost me aristoles

It's "college".

"Collage" is something else entirely.

50% of all graduate student doing that research are now from foreign countries. Fewer and fewer U. S. students are going into math and science. The U. S., if it had to depend upon its own student for technological innovation at universities would be in big trouble.

Valid point. But there are many reasons for this unrelated to social decay as Kevin Jones has commented previously.

Besides, there's something pretty darned silly about measuring the evil of debauchery and sin by whether or not it inhibits technological innovation!

Not at all. There are two things in the universe. One is Work, the other is Play. One puts aside play in order to engage in creative endeavors. If there is nothing to achieve, there is nothing to be lost by pursuing pleasure.

we're talking about kids getting so drunk they can't remember anything, being so drunk that their inhibitions are lowered they do reckless stuff, they fight and frack everything in sight

I did this several times myself in both high school and college, mostly high school (I was mostly square in college because I was in the engineering program, which was very demanding). I have gotten stupidly pissed while as expat in Japan (its easy to drink in a place where you do not have to drive a car). So have many of my friends. Like I said before, tell me something the kids are doing today that we did not do when we were young. If anything, kids are far tamer today than they were in the 70's (when vandalism and outright criminal activity was common). Perhaps you guys grew up sheltered and are not aware of these things.

When I was in high school, we dealt drugs and partied with both alcohol and pot a lot. I knew a guy who was into house burglary and another guy I used to call the "Antique Man" because his "specialty" was breaking into old, abandoned houses and buildings to steal the antiques with the best value. He really knew his stuff too. Now, this may be selection bias and I simply ran with a somewhat criminal crowd. However, my high school also produced 4 valedictorians and 20% of the class graduated with honors (3.5 GPA or above).

When I started Junior high school, my father warned me about the "drugs" there because he had heard that our junior high school was rife with drugs. This was the mid 70's. Also, kids used to beat each other senseless just for the hell of it. The teachers in my high school told me of the gang fights and that they had a cop stationed in the front hall just to control the violence. This was the early 70's. Things had calmed down somewhat by the time I got there.

I could tell stories that would make your hair curl, and this was all around '79-81. If anything, kids are way better behaved today than they were in the 70's or even when I was in high school. They're even polite these days. There were lots of wild kids in the 70's. There seem to be fewer wild kids today.

I managed an engineering lab earlier this decade where we hired engineering students from the local university to work part time for us, both summers and during the school year. During the time I was there, we had about 8-9 students work with us. I can tell you that all of them performed very well. Not only were they smart, but they would work without direction and had good self-initiative. That is, if there was something that needed to be done, they did it on their own. They did not wait to be told what to do (I really like this trait).

If the kids that worked for me are representative of kids today, then I think its fair to say that the work ethic is alive and well and that our future is fine. Of course there is selection bias in that these kids were engineering majors. Nonetheless, I still feel confident that the kids are alright.

There are two things in the universe. One is Work, the other is Play. One puts aside play in order to engage in creative endeavors. If there is nothing to achieve, there is nothing to be lost by pursuing pleasure.

Wow. That's a deep ethic, designed to get you a life of important, committed, long-term, loving, worthwhile, sacrificial human relationships.

Post a comment


Bold Italic Underline Quote

Note: In order to limit duplicate comments, please submit a comment only once. A comment may take a few minutes to appear beneath the article.

Although this site does not actively hold comments for moderation, some comments are automatically held by the blog system. For best results, limit the number of links (including links in your signature line to your own website) to under 3 per comment as all comments with a large number of links will be automatically held. If your comment is held for any reason, please be patient and an author or administrator will approve it. Do not resubmit the same comment as subsequent submissions of the same comment will be held as well.