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Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by Tony on Sep 29, 21:31:

This stuff is pervasive in public expression of all types, and I believe it's fairly recent. It seems to me something is going on here well beyond moral relativism. Mark, perhaps part of what we are seeing is the moral relativism coming into conflict with its own self. As with complete truth relativism (i.e. absolute skepticism), complete moral relativism is incoherent of its own self, and nobody can _actually_ operate on its basis throughout their lives. So you get people being schizoid in their own beh ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 29, 15:51:

Let me add too that this definitely _is_ "about choice." (Though I suppose we can argue all day about so vague a question as, "What is this really about?") What I mean by that is this: There is a fixed idea in American culture that all sorts of things that would otherwise be wrong are somehow washed and made clean if the person you do those things to chooses them. Examples: Killing someone. Beating someone up. If you just go out there and kill someone who didn't want to die, some old lady in a nursing ho ... [More]

Elizabeth Goudge's novels

Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 29, 09:52:

Looks like it's from The Bird in the Tree. I'd have to go look it up to find the page, but I believe it's from the place where David Eliot is trying to decide whether or not he's going to marry Nadine (which his conscience is telling him would be wrong), and he has to choose a book to read when he's sitting up in bed. It's also a night of storm. If I recall correctly he chooses a book of poetry called The Uncelestial City by Humbert Wolfe. ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 29, 09:41:

Mark, I do think that we are getting a certain kind of revived but perverse moral absolutism. And I think the idea that it's somehow absolutely or objectively *bad* to be alive with dementia (for example) is one such example. Hence people say, "I wouldn't want to live that way" and so forth. And the husband probably believes it is objectively *wrong* for the nursing home to keep feeding Nora Harris. But I would add that people are indeed very illogical and inconsistent. So they will toss out one set of abs ... [More]

Sedition and Anthem Protests

Comment posted by Tony on Sep 29, 05:11:

They were subjugated peoples, if that's what you are getting at. So, yes, subject in that sense. Of course, in Britain in 1775 there were neither a slave population nor native alien population. I was not making an inference that "subject to British law in 1775" is congruent to "a citizen of Virginia in 1776". The relevant qualifier was "in the sense intended". When a British grocer in Salisbury exclaimed "confound it, I am a British subject, I have rights!", he didn't mean "British subject" in the ... [More]

Elizabeth Goudge's novels

Comment posted by grace on Sep 29, 02:00:

Hello, thank you for this wonderful article. I was wondering if you know the source of the following quote commonly attributed to Elizabeth Goudge: In times of storm and tempest, of indecision and desolation, a book already known and loved makes better reading than something new and untried ... nothing is so warming and companionable. Would love to reference her correctly but all sources on the web lack the book where it came from. Appreciate your help, if any. Regards, Grace ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by Mark on Sep 29, 00:20:

I personally don’t think such things are about “choice” or disbelief in moral absolutes. Sure sometimes people just want to be rid of those who are a burden, or to be done with an uncomfortable situation. But I think a far larger factor is about a vision of a good life, or it’s twin in the rejection of a perceived bad one. It’s about an idealized and higher vision, false though it is, that is enshrined in that choice. Is the problem as simple as that people are morally abdicating or are they active particip ... [More]

Sedition and Anthem Protests

Comment posted by Bedarz Iliaci on Sep 29, 00:17:

Tony, Missing in your reading of citizens and subjects are the important categories of slaves and of native aliens i.e. the Indians. Were they British subjects in 1775? ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Bedarz Iliaci on Sep 29, 00:13:

An article at NRO by FH Buckley today claims that Donald Trump exemplifies the responsible liberalism of 1960s and 1970s Democrats. The old coat, yesterday’s liberalism, was a not unlovely garment, and in many ways preferable to yesterday’s conservatism. This coat was the party of Americans for Democratic Action, of Arthur Schlesinger Jr. and Lionel Trilling. They were strongly anti-Communist and fought hard to expel the Marxists from their party. On racial matters, they were right and the conservatives of ... [More]

Sedition and Anthem Protests

Comment posted by Mark on Sep 28, 21:04:

Good point ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by GRA on Sep 28, 17:15:

@ Lydia: Probably the latter. The topic for the day was research validity and it came upon social issues (alcoholism, domestic violence, homelessness, legalization of marijuana etc.). Since there is no way to measure the morality of, say, abortion or gay marriage, that morality should not be taken into account - it's strictly a non-factor, neither good nor bad. That's what I got from his somewhat cryptic statement in the way it was laid out; you can debate about God all you want but morality is a social con ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by al on Sep 28, 16:57:

"Governor Romney was a fraud, a complete phony." No, he was a former governor who governed somewhat competently and an actual businessman (although too enamored of tax arbitrage). He would have been a competent plutocratic president i.e. like a good hard neo-liberal he would have screwed the bottom 99.9% but we're used to that. " If it were, then we would be doomed regardless of the outcome." " Can you help me out here? " No, existential means that if one opens door #1 one gets a pony. If one opens d ... [More]

Sedition and Anthem Protests

Comment posted by Tony on Sep 28, 13:02:

They are subject to the laws by their physical presence. This is certainly true, as I mentioned back when I was discussing Ted Cruz's citizenship. But for the purposes of the 14th Amendment and for Title 8 section 1401, it has to mean something more than the sort of subjection that applies MERELY from physical presence. A person who is an alien visiting here on a 2-week vacation is subject to all sorts of laws here: they have to drive on the right side of the road, they have to obey the laws about murde ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 28, 12:40:

immediately after he said that the class can debate the existence of God till the wee hours of the morning. Was that supposed to be an expression of open-mindedness--I will allow you to debate the existence of God for a long time and take any position, on any side--or a statement alleging the impossibility of discovering whether or not God exists? ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by GRA on Sep 28, 12:32:

>>The people trying to make "choice" do all the work refuse resolutely to acknowledge that right and wrong are even relevant are even relevant or that life and death are any different from anything else. I'm currently graduate school and my professor said that morality is a social construct immediately after he said that the class can debate the existence of God till the wee hours of the morning. This was a research class. ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by GRA on Sep 28, 12:25:

The obsession with "choice" faux dignity. ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 28, 08:30:

Or they successfully storm the cockpit, put him in charge, and he deliberately flies the plane into the ground himself. ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Paul J Cella on Sep 28, 08:14:

Tony, presumably that would mean: an election of such gravity that it authorizes some kind of Flight 93 desperation by analogy. The punch of the rhetorical flourish aside -- Flight 93 holding pride of place in American sentiment and memory -- we are dealing here with a very feeble analogy indeed. It's not clear (1) that irretrievable calamity impends or (2) that Trump is a defensible response to irretrievable calamity. The latter in particular. Trump appears he might be the kind of self-centered imbecile ... [More]

Sedition and Anthem Protests

Comment posted by Mark on Sep 27, 21:58:

Very elegantly stated. Minor quibble would be that being subject to the laws isn't linked to a right to remain without any special permission. They are subject to the laws by their physical presence. Of course exceptions to punishment for violations of law by a judge or jury can always be made if their presence in a foreign land was unknown or accidental (accidental border crossing isn't rare) and the infraction were minor. But in any case persons are subject to the law where they are. ... [More]

Sedition and Anthem Protests

Comment posted by Tony on Sep 27, 20:31:

Bedarz asks Citizens belong to republics. How appropriate is the term "citizen" for the colonial period, when the said "citizens" were actually subjects of the British Crown? Mark replies A citizen is defined as a legally recognized subject. That's close enough. The 14th amendment says All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. And Title 8 of the US Code carries that over to st ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Tony on Sep 27, 20:13:

I have no idea what "existential election" means. Can you help me out here? ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by c matt on Sep 27, 14:59:

I tend to agree that this is not an existential election. If it were, then we would be doomed regardless of the outcome. However, there is also no doubt in my mind that Trump is the less undesirable candidate than Hildebeast. The question is simply whether one believes he is sufficiently less undesirable to vote for him. I can see an argument both ways. ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 27, 12:59:

In that case, we simply disagree strongly. The idea of calling Romney a phony in response to the same implication about, God help us, Donald Trump, as if the term could apply to Romney in the same sense that it applies to Trump, or anything like it, is just way, way out there. ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Thomas Yeutter on Sep 27, 12:32:

c) not a complete phony, d) not remotely likely to start a war... Governor Romney was a fraud, a complete phony. That is what made him the perfect candidate for Karl Rove. Governor Romney, even more then President Obama, or Hillary Rodham, would be likely to have committed ground troops to Syria and other places where no national interests were at stake. ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 27, 10:19:

The third obvious issue on which Mr. Trump is to be preferred is immigration. I say that even though I am well aware of the ever morphing character of his Immigration policy. So that means you shouldn't say it, because there *is no* such thing as a Trump policy on immigration. Just as on anything else. But please. Romney was a) a decent human being with a basic respect for sex, women, the human body, etc., b) actually pro-life, though somewhat timidly so, c) not a complete phony, d) not remotely likely to ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 27, 09:41:

There isn't a way to simultaneously have laws that require feeding to avoid neglect based on older laws while allowing for spoon feeding (assisted!) in some circumstances and not others as specified by some future law. Yes, well put. The people trying to make "choice" do all the work refuse resolutely to acknowledge that right and wrong are even relevant or that life and death are any different from anything else. You can't treat, "Do you want to be killed?" like "Do you want a manicure?" or "Do you want ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Thomas Yeutter on Sep 27, 04:19:

Lydia suggests that: ...Mr. Six Pack has about thirty million more reasons for _opposing Donald Trump_ on the same principles. Actually, Romney is more objectionable, to many conservatives, then is Mr. Trump. One issue on which Governor Romney is more objectionable is trade policy. Another issue that Governor Romney is even worse then Mr. Trump is foreign policy. The third obvious issue on which Mr. Trump is to be preferred is immigration. I say that even though I am well aware of the ever morphing c ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Bedarz Iliaci on Sep 27, 02:49:

Jeffrey S, I think it would be wise if America pulled back from our heavy involvement in the Middle-East This is some euphemism! heavy involvement indeed. Do you think that American involvement in Libya was merely heavy or wrong? That it was wrong to traffic weapons from Libya to Syrian jihadists? Trump is precisely correct and indeed admirably so to laud Putin--a vicious dictator? No more vicious than American patronizing of genocidal jihadists. Trump's comment-that America does a lot of killing too-the ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Mark on Sep 27, 01:51:

Bedarz are you sleepwalking? it sounds more like you talking than Publius Decius Stupidus whatever. Trump's not a unique monster, but he can't debate one on one worth a damn. Hillary is so bad she handed him so many openings where she's uniquely vulnerable and he blew most of them defending non-essential points. Ugh. So depressing that these are our choices. ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Bedarz Iliaci on Sep 27, 01:17:

Lydia, When one decries a host of universities engaging in medical research based on black-market baby parts but still would be reluctant to call for defunding the universities? When one calls for Total War against jihadists and then finds one's govt acting in concert with the jihadists, and not only the govt but also the Republican establishment. But still Trump is the unique monster. The well-crafted arguments against same-sex marriage--they don't exist-they are just expressions of irrational bigotry. Sa ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by Mark on Sep 27, 00:23:

... looking for a way out of it. Advance directives were made to define a way out. The way out was attempting to represent people's autonomous choices at a given moment, which they can't. But even if they could the way out was enshrining the autonomous choice as right or just or sacred, depending on your choice of language. We shouldn't be surprised that people talk like dazed lawyers after being faced with the shock that not only do directives on such things solve nothing in the end, but that there isn't ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 26, 21:48:

Yeah, I know, but people don't talk that explicitly like legal positivists unless they are either a) being smart-alecks who really want to do what the law says but are sorta pretending that they are being forced to do it or b) looking for a way out of it. Unfortunately I'm betting that the people talking that way here fall under category b. ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 26, 15:35:

shows why we're in the position we're in and why a reality TV star/egotistical real estate developer was able to take over the Republican Party. Whom you are trying to bully us into feeling like we have to support because he temporarily mouthed some stuff about Muslim immigration. See your comment upthread. I'm sure *that* will bring back an understanding of a deep conservative political philosophy. Sounds like a brilliant plan to me. ... [More]

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Comment posted by GW on Sep 26, 15:24:

Jeffrey I wasn't responding to you, and I'll let Decius speak for himself. My response was to another commenter. That much should be obvious if you followed the discussion and read my response more carefully. To the peanut gallery: there is a difference between modern "conservatism" which is a set of superficial political ideals and a conservative political philosophy concerned with order, sovereignty, teleology, tradition, etc. which most conservatives intuitively feel. The fact most of you are unable to ... [More]

Let's Enter the Agora Together

Comment posted by Mark on Sep 26, 15:19:

So "drawing a line in the sand" means "leadership should have stood up to the establishment"? You've just changed metaphors around. You've just shifted from an unspecified "line" to unspecified "leaders", as opposed to the ones you think are fake leaders. There's no real content to what you're saying. The irony is, that if exit polls are to be believed, a significant number of rank and file conservative voters did not vote for Governor Romney. They voted Republican for Congress but did not vote for Governo ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by Zippy on Sep 26, 14:39:

But it is disturbing to see that in all of this, person after person who is doing the right thing is acting as though this isn't unequivocally the right thing to do but is merely required by statutory law. Legal positivism. ... [More]

Choice devours itself: Husband in Oregon wants to stop his wife's spoon feeding

Comment posted by The Masked Chicken on Sep 26, 13:02:

Starving people to death is, really, the compassion of Hell. The Chicken ... [More]

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Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 26, 11:23:

Conservative leaders have lost credibility with Joe Six Pack I really doubt that Joe Six Pack, whoever precisely he is, was out there opposing Romney on staunch conservative principle. But if so, then Mr. Six Pack has about thirty million more reasons for _opposing_ Donald Trump on the same principles. Trump makes Romney look like a culture warrior (which he certainly wasn't) by contrast. The whole saga of the rise of the RINOs as an explanation for the rise of Trump only shows the irrationality of mankind ... [More]

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Comment posted by Thomas Yeutter on Sep 26, 09:58:

Mark asks, 'what exactly does drawing a line in the sand mean?' What I am suggesting is that the conservative leadership should have stood up to the establishment Republicans and said we will not support Senator McCain, and Governor Romney. Those men do not share our understanding of what it means to defend what remains of Christendom. Four years ago Karl Rove, a man who has always been an enemy of conservatism, was allowed to promote Governor Romney as the great conservative stalwart. Dr. Ron Paul r ... [More]

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Comment posted by Lydia on Sep 26, 09:36:

Their own words are belied by careless approach they take towards fighting for their goals. Mine isn't. And I will never vote for Trump, either. I'm frankly sick of the bullying nonsense from those insisting we vote Trump. If you don't, you don't care enough, or you don't see how bad it is, or blah, blah. As though no one could ever believe in good faith that giving the body politic, and conservatives themselves, one form of poison is not the solution to a (only slightly different) kind of poison. No, th ... [More]